As a person who has worked in telecom for over 15 years…shhhhhhhhh…
You like android better? Cool. You like IOS better? Cool. They do essentially the same thing in different ways with different pros and cons. What works best for one person may not be for someone else.
In 2024 if you’re arguing on the internet (or perhaps worse, in real life) about which phone is better you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and take an assessment of your priorities.
Also, because I love downvotes apparently, this also applies to windows/linux/mac OS. Unless I’m on my Mac like “Gee I sure wish this was more open source, if only there was an alternative.” I don’t need you telling me to switch to linux bro.
It’s a relevant topic to talk about. You wrote so much yet said nothing except I don’t like seeing people talk down to apple users. Which i agree with a little but people will talk about relevant things like smart phone choice whether you like it or not.
It was more the fact that someone took the time to make a meme about it. Like, go outside. Also, perhaps, I’m a tad jaded since I remember this exact type of thing only it was Blackberry/Android/iPhone/Windows. It was more relevant back in the day when there were marked differences between the all the different mobile OS, but now it’s basically the same thing different ways.
Also yes, I have several Linux computers that I mostly use as they are older machines so I drop linux on them for various projects or just to make the computer run better for web browsing and other simple tasks. I also have a Mac for making art and music. I primarily use my windows PC because I mostly game and work (using Microsoft 365) on it and that’s the easiest solution. I honestly don’t understand why everybody feels the need to bring up linux constantly around here. If you like linux that’s cool, if it’s relevant to the conversation, that’s cool. But if I’m on a windows related thread asking about a windows issue it is rather annoying for someone to jump in and be like “jUsT uSe LiNuX” every 3 seconds.
In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.
“In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.”
You know, you’re actually absolutely right. Keep up the good work!
get PTSD from having to hear about it for 15 years
stupidly go into comments and read more people arguing about which phone good
have flashback
On the sales floor in 2010
A grown man is telling me I need to pull an iPhone 4 from my ass and sell it to him or he’ll burn my house down
snap back to reality (moms spaghetti)
comment saying everyone should just get over the whole phone thing
People argue more and tell me I should let people discuss things
flashback to when a grown woman cried and told me I ruined her life because they were out of the specific color of iPhone 5 she wanted while her boyfriend kept literally screaming at her that Android is better and she’s an idiot for getting an iPhone anyway.
make a stupid fake greentext comment to heal the pain
No implications, it is pointing out facts about hardware (where one is objectively worse). OS is not relevant and was not mentioned. Brand was mentioned because that was the topic.
lineage os still is an “android”, but another vendor with clearly different approach than the original firmware and what hinders you from writing bsd drivers and compiling a bsd kernel for it instead? So i count the Xperia 1 III as NOT bound to any OS or OS vendor.
But despite the way longer possible support/security, freedom of choice and endless other possibilities that often come along with free OS choice, this pure and great advantages weren’t even mentioned there, thus it wasnt an OS comparison as it also wasn’t a bound-to-an-OS vs. absentness of vendor-lock-in-limitation-jungle comparison.
Absolutely, well put!! It’s honestly sad in my eyes
I’ve given up especially when it comes to Linux vs Mac on the topic of open source. People will have such a violent reaction that they cannot possibly consider Apple as anything else but the literal antithesis of open source.
if you think Apple has a place in open source, you’d be right, but you’ll also get attacked for it because Apple bad.
It’s so obvious over many years that Apple has always gotten their hands dirty in the open source world going back to even before the birth of OSX, both with use and contributions, yet this is stomped out by the notion of expensive and elitist Apple could never and would never actually bother contributing to open source codebases
I’m glad someone, mostly, got my point. I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means. I’m a “use the right tool for the job you are trying to do” guy. For me, that means using a mac to make music and art, using linux on older machines and for specific purposes, and using windows to game and work. But by golly, people sure do get up in arms about it.
Bro you got me there. If I can’t fully disable that crap when it eventually comes out I’m going to have to figure something out. (I swear to God if someone tells me just to switch to linux without knowing my use case for windows, I might even downvote them maybe.)
Microsoft 365, two custom programs made specifically for the copy at which I work and that only run on windows, and steam.
And before someone jumps in and is like “You can do all that on linux!”, I don’t want to use the web portal for Microsoft 365 because it’s terrible(I mean, 365 is terrible in general but the web portal is worse), I won’t be able to convince my boss to spend like an extra $10K to allow the programs to work on Linux, and yeah steam works on linux but it can be a lot of work to get certain games to run.
Yeah being locked into an application sucks. I was lucky that the Proprietary CAD package we run had a linux version. Sadly Siemens decided linux share was low so dropped the GUI version of it, but left us cli version for batch processing work, so back to Windows to be on latest release.
I’m invested because higher adoption of my preferred platform causes prices of said platform to drop, making the platform economically attractive to develop for.
Fewer users causes less effort to go into the platform by larger corporations due to lower revenue streams, diminishing updates and feature count over time.
Eventually, users leave due to pain points not being addressed. Shrinking user bases causes independent developer talent to focus on other platforms since the economics no longer work in the marginal case.
The shrinking independent developer contributions to the ecosystem make the required effort to develop for it that much higher, since the tools and apps that would have been built weren’t.
Higher development costs slow down feature pacing, due to the increased effort needed to substitute the efforts of missing ecosystem developers.
Lack of feature cadence drives users to other platforms, shrinking the user base, bringing us back to step 1.
Everyone I know in tech uses android. People that want capable handheld devices choose android. People that want a basic device that does what the company says and nothing else go Apple. Even I suggest Apple to old people and luddites, it protects itself from them. Oh, and people easily manipulated by social pressures (OMG I need the right colored text bubble!) will deeply overpay for a subpar device.
See, this is what I’m talking about. Being so invested in the type of phone people have that calling people with a different phone “Luddites” seems a tad excessive.
It is literally the equivalent of an iPhone user being like “Only poor people have android phones.”
Also, for what it’s worth, I too work in tech and talk to probably hundreds of IT people monthly and the phone type split is pretty even. I only know because a lot of time we’re doing security for their endpoints and we need to know device types for that. But see, much like your evidence, that’s just anecdotal. Neither of us know anything.
And my goodness, do I hate the whole colored text bubble thing, from both sides. iMessage is convenient because it gives you all the pros of a third party texting app without having to use a third party app. You’re correct that people get pretentious about it, and that’s ridiculous, but what’s easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or having that built into the text app. I mean, the whole thing is just a larger issue with SMS/MMS being garbage but still. Hopefully, with IOS 18 having RCS support, it will be less of an issue, but that remains to be seen.
Anyway, as I’ve clearly not demonstrated by consistently replying to randos on the internet, don’t think about it. There are more important things to worry about in this world.
what’s easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or having that built into the text app [convincing everyone to buy the same phone].
FTFY
When presented this way, the choice is very different.
You make a fair point here. The pressure to just buy an iPhone so you can use iMessage is frustrating and downloading a third party app is really easy (and possibly a better option than iMessage) but you gotta remember most people don’t think like that. Honestly, I use signal for most of my messaging but still need to use text for many of my family members because I’m not about to walk my Dad through downloading, setting up, and using a separate app just to text me.
Also, yeah Apple could make iMessage available on Android but in the same vein Nintendo could make games for Playstation/xBox. They could, but why would they? People buy their hardware for the specific software that is offered. It’s frustrating but that’s part of their business model.
The real solution is to replace SMS/MMS with a better solution, which RCS is attempting to do, but it’s sub par compared to anything else still, in my opinion.
That social pressure sure does a lot in the USA. In Austria for example iOS sits at 17.8% (July 2024) despite being a rich country.
Since none of Apple’s native services are being used the only upside of Apple products is their out-of-the-box neatless communication (MacBook-iPhone) and not being able to do much (this is an upside for old people who want to have as little options as possible, like they did on their old flip telephones). Accordingly, iPhones are very popular among people who only ever use their phones for photos and communication, which is a small percentage (as the statistic shows).
Most people simply care for what their phone can do (screen, camera, battery life, speed, customisability, software availability, bang-for-buck), for the camera it’s a tie (iPhones still win for videos, Android flagships win for photos) and in all other points Android wins, leading to its 70% market share.
As a person who has worked in telecom for over 15 years…shhhhhhhhh…
You like android better? Cool. You like IOS better? Cool. They do essentially the same thing in different ways with different pros and cons. What works best for one person may not be for someone else.
In 2024 if you’re arguing on the internet (or perhaps worse, in real life) about which phone is better you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and take an assessment of your priorities.
Also, because I love downvotes apparently, this also applies to windows/linux/mac OS. Unless I’m on my Mac like “Gee I sure wish this was more open source, if only there was an alternative.” I don’t need you telling me to switch to linux bro.
It’s a relevant topic to talk about. You wrote so much yet said nothing except I don’t like seeing people talk down to apple users. Which i agree with a little but people will talk about relevant things like smart phone choice whether you like it or not.
Also have you tried switching to linux?
It was more the fact that someone took the time to make a meme about it. Like, go outside. Also, perhaps, I’m a tad jaded since I remember this exact type of thing only it was Blackberry/Android/iPhone/Windows. It was more relevant back in the day when there were marked differences between the all the different mobile OS, but now it’s basically the same thing different ways.
Also yes, I have several Linux computers that I mostly use as they are older machines so I drop linux on them for various projects or just to make the computer run better for web browsing and other simple tasks. I also have a Mac for making art and music. I primarily use my windows PC because I mostly game and work (using Microsoft 365) on it and that’s the easiest solution. I honestly don’t understand why everybody feels the need to bring up linux constantly around here. If you like linux that’s cool, if it’s relevant to the conversation, that’s cool. But if I’m on a windows related thread asking about a windows issue it is rather annoying for someone to jump in and be like “jUsT uSe LiNuX” every 3 seconds.
In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.
“In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.”
You know, you’re actually absolutely right. Keep up the good work!
When will the complain chain end xD
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COMPLAIN CHAIN! I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU’RE COMPLAINING STILL!
What about the need to tell others how to and what to discuss in their free time with their social circle? Can I do that?
::rare pepe on the phone picture:::
It’s comparing hardware, not OS
Fair point, but the implication is phone type A bad phone type B good. And both those devices are tied to a specific OS.
No implications, it is pointing out facts about hardware (where one is objectively worse). OS is not relevant and was not mentioned. Brand was mentioned because that was the topic.
the OS was not the comparison, but the hardware it runs on (just as @Freefall said) but also you seem to be wrong with your other assumption:
Which seems not to be the case as install instructions for another OS can be found here (i didn’t try it though) for the mentioned device:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/pdx215/
lineage os still is an “android”, but another vendor with clearly different approach than the original firmware and what hinders you from writing bsd drivers and compiling a bsd kernel for it instead? So i count the Xperia 1 III as NOT bound to any OS or OS vendor.
But despite the way longer possible support/security, freedom of choice and endless other possibilities that often come along with free OS choice, this pure and great advantages weren’t even mentioned there, thus it wasnt an OS comparison as it also wasn’t a bound-to-an-OS vs. absentness of vendor-lock-in-limitation-jungle comparison.
So do you whip out this copypasta anytime people try to have a fun discussion about something or?
It is now my dream that this becomes a new copypasta. That would be neat.
Absolutely, well put!! It’s honestly sad in my eyes
I’ve given up especially when it comes to Linux vs Mac on the topic of open source. People will have such a violent reaction that they cannot possibly consider Apple as anything else but the literal antithesis of open source.
if you think Apple has a place in open source, you’d be right, but you’ll also get attacked for it because Apple bad.
Only a handful of months ago Apple released open source AI models that run on-device.
It’s so obvious over many years that Apple has always gotten their hands dirty in the open source world going back to even before the birth of OSX, both with use and contributions, yet this is stomped out by the notion of expensive and elitist Apple could never and would never actually bother contributing to open source codebases
I’m glad someone, mostly, got my point. I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means. I’m a “use the right tool for the job you are trying to do” guy. For me, that means using a mac to make music and art, using linux on older machines and for specific purposes, and using windows to game and work. But by golly, people sure do get up in arms about it.
It used to be the same for Windows until microsoft recall. Putting windows in that category is now an outdated thing.
Bro you got me there. If I can’t fully disable that crap when it eventually comes out I’m going to have to figure something out. (I swear to God if someone tells me just to switch to linux without knowing my use case for windows, I might even downvote them maybe.)
What is your use case?
Microsoft 365, two custom programs made specifically for the copy at which I work and that only run on windows, and steam.
And before someone jumps in and is like “You can do all that on linux!”, I don’t want to use the web portal for Microsoft 365 because it’s terrible(I mean, 365 is terrible in general but the web portal is worse), I won’t be able to convince my boss to spend like an extra $10K to allow the programs to work on Linux, and yeah steam works on linux but it can be a lot of work to get certain games to run.
Yeah being locked into an application sucks. I was lucky that the Proprietary CAD package we run had a linux version. Sadly Siemens decided linux share was low so dropped the GUI version of it, but left us cli version for batch processing work, so back to Windows to be on latest release.
I’m invested because higher adoption of my preferred platform causes prices of said platform to drop, making the platform economically attractive to develop for.
Fewer users causes less effort to go into the platform by larger corporations due to lower revenue streams, diminishing updates and feature count over time.
Eventually, users leave due to pain points not being addressed. Shrinking user bases causes independent developer talent to focus on other platforms since the economics no longer work in the marginal case.
The shrinking independent developer contributions to the ecosystem make the required effort to develop for it that much higher, since the tools and apps that would have been built weren’t.
Higher development costs slow down feature pacing, due to the increased effort needed to substitute the efforts of missing ecosystem developers.
Lack of feature cadence drives users to other platforms, shrinking the user base, bringing us back to step 1.
As “three dead trolls in a baggie” famously sung… “Every OS Sucks”.
As true today as when it was first penned.
Everyone I know in tech uses android. People that want capable handheld devices choose android. People that want a basic device that does what the company says and nothing else go Apple. Even I suggest Apple to old people and luddites, it protects itself from them. Oh, and people easily manipulated by social pressures (OMG I need the right colored text bubble!) will deeply overpay for a subpar device.
See, this is what I’m talking about. Being so invested in the type of phone people have that calling people with a different phone “Luddites” seems a tad excessive.
It is literally the equivalent of an iPhone user being like “Only poor people have android phones.”
Also, for what it’s worth, I too work in tech and talk to probably hundreds of IT people monthly and the phone type split is pretty even. I only know because a lot of time we’re doing security for their endpoints and we need to know device types for that. But see, much like your evidence, that’s just anecdotal. Neither of us know anything.
And my goodness, do I hate the whole colored text bubble thing, from both sides. iMessage is convenient because it gives you all the pros of a third party texting app without having to use a third party app. You’re correct that people get pretentious about it, and that’s ridiculous, but what’s easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or having that built into the text app. I mean, the whole thing is just a larger issue with SMS/MMS being garbage but still. Hopefully, with IOS 18 having RCS support, it will be less of an issue, but that remains to be seen.
Anyway, as I’ve clearly not demonstrated by consistently replying to randos on the internet, don’t think about it. There are more important things to worry about in this world.
FTFY
When presented this way, the choice is very different.
You make a fair point here. The pressure to just buy an iPhone so you can use iMessage is frustrating and downloading a third party app is really easy (and possibly a better option than iMessage) but you gotta remember most people don’t think like that. Honestly, I use signal for most of my messaging but still need to use text for many of my family members because I’m not about to walk my Dad through downloading, setting up, and using a separate app just to text me.
Also, yeah Apple could make iMessage available on Android but in the same vein Nintendo could make games for Playstation/xBox. They could, but why would they? People buy their hardware for the specific software that is offered. It’s frustrating but that’s part of their business model.
The real solution is to replace SMS/MMS with a better solution, which RCS is attempting to do, but it’s sub par compared to anything else still, in my opinion.
That social pressure sure does a lot in the USA. In Austria for example iOS sits at 17.8% (July 2024) despite being a rich country.
Since none of Apple’s native services are being used the only upside of Apple products is their out-of-the-box neatless communication (MacBook-iPhone) and not being able to do much (this is an upside for old people who want to have as little options as possible, like they did on their old flip telephones). Accordingly, iPhones are very popular among people who only ever use their phones for photos and communication, which is a small percentage (as the statistic shows).
Most people simply care for what their phone can do (screen, camera, battery life, speed, customisability, software availability, bang-for-buck), for the camera it’s a tie (iPhones still win for videos, Android flagships win for photos) and in all other points Android wins, leading to its 70% market share.
Source for market share by OS: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/303829/umfrage/genutzte-mobile-betriebssysteme-in-oesterreich/
I know people in tech who use iPhones. But they’re definitely the exception.