“I’m taking this off you, Bill, and giving it to some CEO who said AI will fix climate change”
Bill Nye graciously accepts the Power Bottom Lifetime Achievement award.
“Maybe after I choke him with this that God damn song will finally get out of my head…”
It’s even better in Chinese
Good work in school young man.
Biden wispers in his ear, “inertia is a property of matter”
This image makes me feel old
I was Biden my time, but the time is Nye.
“I hope this medal makes up for 2024 being the year of highest oil production in US history. Which happened in defiance of all the climate science you’ve been trying to tell us about. You know, as part of the years of science education this award honors.”
This is just depressing…
Youtube is insisting I sign in to prove my age before I can watch that video.
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Who? Corporate executives?
It has SWARES!! SWARES, I tell you!
Somehow in spite of his negative comments he still gets the recognition he deserves from the authority structure. Whereas in the social mediasphere if he so much as Liked a disapproved tweet he would be crowd-demonized as The Enemy, his accomplishments would mean nothing, and saying anything good about him would be widely condemned.
I think that, vocal complainers aside, he’s still overall fairly popular. A popular white man saying wise stuff is a great opportunity to signal how committed you are to science without having to put actually significant amounts of money on the line or entering the minefield that is angering the anti-“woke” crowd. He’s a safe investment in public appearances.
Doesn’t mean they’ll have to listen to him. He gets a more sombre version of the Jester’s Privilege that allows him to say whatever he wants, they’ll nod and applaud and perform all the gestures of approval, but they won’t actually change anything.
The other half of it is probably the Internet Outrage culture that sees inciting content get more engagement and boosted visibility in a self-perpetuating cycle of upset. Legitimate criticism drowns in a sea of bullshit, everyone’s pissed off and we’re all easily swept up in the current of emotion. If we’re not mad at one person, we’re mad at the people pointlessly or excessively mad at them. If we try to stem against that, we’re dogpiled by loud complainers while quiet agreement leaves an upvote and moves on.
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I hope this medal makes up for 2024 being the year of highest oil production in US history.
i’m actually curious to know how it compares to global production. With the war in ukraine and what not, kicked a HUGE export market right off a cliff.
I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire energy grid and vehicle fleet can be remade in 4 years.
Don’t worry protest voters, we may be able to start from scratch again in another 4 years.
I see Lemmy’s famous misreading is happening. I want environmental policy. But I know things take time. People that think everything can be remade in 4 years don’t know how big industry is and how much work it takes.
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
Sigh. People are blaming Biden because he didn’t solve it in his 4 years. “We elected him why isn’t it solved?!? Protest no vote!”
Buddy. We’ve known about this problem since the 1970’s.
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how you misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
No, people expect the Dems to not exponentially make problems worse, since that’s their only function based on the last 80 years of their actions. Biden failed to do that simple function, and signed off more public lands to oil companies than trump and Bush Jr combined.
so you mean all the oil production that trump created, that biden kept relatively linear wasn’t good enough?
You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.
Misinformation isn’t allowed here, Biden raised oil production, Trump lowered it.bhttps://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M
You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.
Yes, I want them to adopt popular bipartisan policies, like m4a, green energy subsidies, food subsidies, new government housing, etc
And this is where I wonder what industry y’all work in. To stop oil demand going up, you would have to produce not a single new ice car, not a single new gas furnace, not a single new gas water heater, not a single new gas stove, not a single new industrial gas furnace/processer/whatever machinery. Not a single one. To do that alone is a monumental task that takes unbelievable effort and time. Too many people think it can be done like you update code or something, y’all have no idea how big industry is. That’s just to stop it going up, not to actually reduce use. But don’t worry protest voters, we can start again in 4 years. And again don’t get me wrong, I want environmental policy. I just know what it takes.
We were talking about oil production. But yes, you can lay the framework to stop all of that in four years. Because we have alternatives to all of that that are cheaper too make, cheaper to own, cheaper to run, and cheaper to maintain, save for a few specific industrial use cases and the aviation industry.
You can just update code, and switch subsidies to non fossil fuels alternatives. And stop fucking blocking Chinese imports.
We can do it. We know we can because other countries are, and are showing how ridiculously easy it is. Shockingly easy. Frustratingly easy.
But you need to want to do it, and that requires putting the environment above personal investments and greed, and no Democrat is capable of that.
Stop excusing monsters, less you become one.
Fair enough we can limit this to oil if you want (but I look at the whole issue). Limiting to oil means no new ICE cars. Not a single one! And we’re back to what freaking industry do you guys work in. For every car company to retool every single plant. New assembly lines, new machinery. New parts suppliers, entirely new supply chain. Can’t forget you have to engineer and test new cars before that. For mining to pick up to produce all the chemicals. More new manufacturing expansion to manufacture batteries. Don’t forget all the assembly lines and machinery for that. Electrical companies, new power plants and new power lines. Hey cities and states, get that planning and permits going. Construction is notoriously fast /s.
You guys seem to have no idea the difficulty in working with physical products at scale.
And more inb4 Lemmy’s famous misreading, yes we should do it. What I’m saying is it takes more planning, effort, and time than you can imagine.
Oh you make a thinly veiled personal attack. Why do I bother. Ciao.
I don’t want to sound like I’m being another hater, you’ve copped a lot of unwarranted downvotes and vitriol. People not willing to discuss things is part of the problem- attacks and trying to silence people through downvotes does not contribute to discussion.
If you’re willing to keep presenting your viewpoint, I’d appreciate some clarity. I urge anyone replying to your comment to engage with thought and maturity. We all learn from opinions that aren’t aligned with ours.
My main question is around your claim that we would have to stop producing any new infrastructure that relies on oil, to prevent consumption going up. I’m not sure I agree- To use a simple example, if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption? Of course, this is a very simple example.
When the opening goes out of its way to divert the conversation into political blame slinging, the vitriol is very much warranted.
if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption?
strictly speaking, generally, yes it would. However for the sake of the argument, including this kind of detail is.
Not important.
diesel engine that uses less diesel
I think we’re at pretty marginal improvements for efficiency, and it’s overshadowed by the move to SUVs anway. I think it doesn’t amount to much for this 10,000 ft view kind of discussion.
Hybrids can do it, but I’m ‘ehhh’ on the whole concept.
Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin to finally affect us. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
call me when you get inside the whitehouse grounds.
If only popular revolutions were so easy
So your solution is to instead do something impossible and definitely won’t happen. Right.
History tells me revolution is always believed to impossible until it happens and is believed have been inevitable. It is socialism or barbarism and I certainly prefer the former
When has someone from the two major parties ran on environmental policy?
We can see the entire history.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway just like Biden did.
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
wasn’t most of the fossil fuel increase under the obama admin an increase in natural gas? Rather than oil/coal, in order to replace, said infrastructure, as it’s cleaner.
May be cleaner to burn but we’re getting it by fracking which is terrible.
I think you’ve horribly misread what I said.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
US oil production is not US oil usage.
Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each.
Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition.
Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
US oil production is not US oil usage.
Explain.
… I’ve never been at a bigger loss for words.
You have a lot to learn.
BTW, are you trying to say US oil usage has dropped? I looked that up and it’s not what’s happening.
4-10% of oil goes to plastic. Oil storage reserves are full and significant capacity isn’t being added.
So your critic is right. Oil produced is oil burned. If not in the US than elsewhere which affects global warming just the same.
Other than that I agree with everything else you said.
Then is not than, Christ.
you and me both my friend, you and me both.
People, throughout all of the cool things they have done throughout history, are also the single stupidest organism to ever fucking exist and i cannot express my rage over how stupid people can be without being banned.
So, please, random lemmy users reading this, reactionary engagement is bad, use critical thinking, and don’t use quippy retorts. They don’t actually do anything.
People just want to watch the world burn, and so do i, not because i think my version of the world is better, but because it brings me enjoyment when i get to see people suffer the results of their choices. I will do nothing to stop you, and laugh all the way down. The world is in your hands my friend, choose wisely.
Up the bum corner. Viz
“Necromancer of the year being awarded to Bill Nye, delivered by the achievement that earned this medal: the animated corpse of Joseph Biden.”
“Did you fart, or was that me?”
“I’m… not sure.”
Bill Nye receiving Medal of Freedom for his dedication to science education :)
Bill Nye, Freedom Medal Guy!
Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!
Science rules
He don’t even be a scientist though??
the operative word is “education”. do i need to be an engineer to tell a child how a bike works? pedantry sucks.
Okay everybody, im done with the proudest moment of my life now. Someone please wake him up.
SCIENCE RULES!
“I used to watch you when you were a kid”
Wait….
