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Wait, is this really true? I always assumed US was on the bad side of this trend
Americas is low because they are cheap bastards, not out of any concern for food quality or animal welfare.
The is is interesting. I thought the US would be much higher. Though doesn’t surprise me to see china so high up
Survey was for antibiotics not steroids
Ah - that was why I was so confused. Canada, for example, limits the growth hormone in dairy cattle while the US does not.
Hormone-free milk is widely available in the US, it just costs a little more
Tbh, I don’t think I’ve ever seen hormone treated milk for sale in the US. They always say “not treated with rbst”, then have the disclaimer that rbst does not produce significantly different milk.
I just assumed the hormone treated cow milk was used for making industrial foods like cheezit cheese or something.
Canadian milk also costs a little more in comparison.
Light blue is bang on in the middle so it’s still quite a lot.
“Bang on in the middle” of the legend, but not of the data. And below the middle of the legend, actually. The bottom half of the legend covers 0 - 50 while the top half covers 50 - 200+. The US is at 31 mg/kg as of 2020
Good point I feel like this graphic could use some improvements tbh 🧐
It’s pretty clear to me. 50 is there safe threshold as mentioned, everything below is safe, marked as blue and everything above is dangerous, marked as increasingly darker red. Looks quite nice and gets the point across imo.
It’s perfect because it generated discussion!
31mg too much
It’s impossible to use 0 unless you just want to let animals die from and spread infections. We live in a world in which bacteria and animals have been in an evolutionary arms race for a billion years
I feel like we shouldn’t be eating meat if we have to jump through so much shit to “make it work”. Putting increasing your tolerance to antibiotics on the top of the cake and it’s a no go for health reasons alone.
But we don’t have to jump through so much shit to make it work. We use science to treat or eliminate health issues in animals that existed well before modern medicine, or even before domestication. Be clear I’m not talking about the horrors of factory farming, but about veterinary medicine. People suffered before modern medicine too, but we’ve reduced mortality by a ton
Antibiotics can be good, actually
There are differences with using antibiotics to make something work and to lower infection rates. China has 200+mg of Antibiotics usage. This is a clear case of using Antibiotics to make meat production possible, because theres no way you need this many antibiotics without some deep rooted problems. The US has A fraction of this. I don’t want to decline that, especially in bigger farms, antibiotics are used to make it work(at least partially), but I would guess that its often really just to treat sick animals.
31mg is weak for a grown adult human. That means the average shows widespread low-level use OR high volumes for very low numbers, which is how it’s supposed to be when a patient has poor circulation from a lack of motion.
This is an average across the entire industry, not an indication of the dosage given to a single animal. Some animals will be on none, and others will be on a clinically appropriate dose as necessary
If you constantly eat meat with antibiotics in you’re increasing your tolerance to antibiotics no matter the amount. So when you actually need antibiotics they’re going to do fuck all for you
A) “You” as in your mammalian cells don’t care about (most) antibiotics. Your intestinal microbiome does, however. But it doesn’t exactly get resistant. B) Antibiotica used in medicine are generally reserved for medical purposes. High usage in agriculture is not pretty, sure, and certainly won’t help multi-resistant pathogen issues, but your statement is wrong regardless.
I mean, we’re doing better than basically every other 1st world country, and those that are beating us don’t have big livestock industries.
Are Nordic countries invisible to you?
The U.S. has to pretend that they don’t exist because it would cause them to face a lot of big issues otherwise.
we’re doing better than basically every other 1st world country
You must have a very unusual definition of first world.
The UK and New Zealand are both big livestock producers which are doing well on this metric. But yes, the US is doing alright overall here
Hope you had a great christmas
My leek+mushroom stuffed seitan roast was delicious, antibiotic-free, and cruelty-free. So tyvm, I did.
Going to have to try that.
vegan btw
How did it taste? Do you have a recipe I can follow? I don’t know hoe far a vegan ingredients shopping run will go where I live though.
The gluten doesn’t have a very strong flavour on its own (it basically tastes like unflavoured bread) but it picks up whatever you season it with very well. The recipe I make goes for a typical poultry style seasoning with nooch and veggie broth. The stuffing is very umami with a little brightness from the lemon. It’s very yummy.
Here’s the recipe I use for the roast:
https://www.theppk.com/2011/11/seitan-roast-stuffed-with-shiitakes-and-leeks/
And I make the gravy from this recipe:
https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-crispy-black-pepper-cauliflower-steaks/
(Which incidentally is also a very good vegan holiday recipe in its own right!)
You might have trouble finding vital wheat gluten. I’d recommend checking either health food or bulk stores, or just buying it online. Everything else should be pretty easily accessible.
While you can make the recipe with the wash-the-flour method from regular flour, it’s already a bit of a challenging recipe, and you have to tweak quite a few things to get the proper wet:dry ratio, so I wouldn’t recommend it, especially for your first try.
I normally also do a side of mashed potatoes, and then some other veg like carrots+parsnips, or Brussels sprouts.
If you get a lot of specialty items (like faux cheeses and meats) it won’t go far. If you shop like normal but just skip the animal products it’ll almost surely be cheaper than regular groceries. You can make your own seitan very easily, there are many YouTube videos showing you how. It’s just a simple dough that is washed and kneaded to develop the gluten. You can also make your own tofu, but tofu is dirt cheap unless you get fancy stuff so I recommend just buying it.
I thought the US would be way up there given the intensive livestock industry there. But I guess we all underestimated the pig industry in China. They have multi-storey slaughter houses for pigs over there!
Really, why?
Like why not process rural, it has to be cheaper to just use rural land and go horizontal than vertical.
We used to do vertical in Chicago. You drive the livestock to the top floor, butcher them there, then use gravity to move them around.
Do they get born on the first floor?
Brazil certainly should be broken down by state, I imagine the USA as well.
My state in south Brazil has VERY strict controls on animals entering the state so we can use less antibiotics and other stuff.
Then you’d likely have to do that for every country with subdivisions that affect the chart
Russian meat be like:
“I just want to be clean!”
this should be adjusted for amount produced … in chile the antibiotic usage is high but we mostly consume meat from Argentina and Brasil
But it’s per kilogram of meat (produced).
Are the nordics low because of cleaner feed operations, or are the nordics zero because it’s been banned?
In Scandinavia they have a policy to minimize the use of antibiotics, even on people, to prevent antibiotic resistance.
Which has two sides to it. It is very hard to get antibiotics unless there is a clear sign of a specific infection going on, e.g. after a tick bite those red circles on the skin.
In any other case just having high fever for a bit does not prompt doctors to check for bacterial infections. Instead they ask you how long you got that fever and if you say anything lower than 6/7 days they simply tell you to come back after 6/7 days if the fever isn’t gone still. Only then they run a blood test and prescribe antibiotics, should you have a bacterial infection.
I understand the idea but you could probably test much earlier and give the antibiotics, if useful, earlier so that people can avoid feeling miserable for just a few days instead of a whole week. It also just prompts people to lie about how long they’ve been sick, just in case.
I mean I’m not sure I see anything wrong with what you’ve described.
My friends not in Scandinavia used to have slight fever for a couple of months before going to a doctor to find out it was pneumonia. I wonder, how Scandinavian doctors react to slight fever, not a bad fever, and if they send you back home then this an example of what’s wrong. Other than that it’s likely a good idea to try to make one’s body heal itself, if the immune system is not compromised
I mean having a slight fever for a while is not something to be concerned about or honestly often not something to go to a doctor for, unless it lasts or worsens. Though if your friend waited a couple of months then your friend might be a bit stupid.
Oh, yeah. Exaggerating your symptoms is the only way to make doctors take your condition seriously. Unless you are a pregnant woman, or a cancer patient. Nordic healthcare is sometimes frustrating in small ways.
Still sounds leaps and bounds better than the US system that my family and I have been ground through for these past several decades.
Luigi started the work, y’all need to finish it.
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Sure, but that wasn’t the question here.
Agriculture isn’t terribly industrialised in Sweden and Norway. So smaller farms means fewer animals get infected when something is going around. And fewer practises like weaning piglets early and giving them prophylactic antibiotics.
And the projection makes them look big on the map.
Easy to not use any when you can just freeze bacteria to death lol
Informative shitpost.
It’s probably misinformation.
how much antibiotics should i take if i go to china? im around 70 kilos
Depends, do you plan on being eaten?
Depends on how long you want to remain in Chinese prison
China builds workers, they really don’t care what happens to their people after prime working ages of 14 to 35, ergo they pump their livestock up with as many antibiotics as can produce the most protein, and leave any issues of antibiotic resistance to … later (never)
if they aren’t careful, they might cause a global pandemic… wait a minute
or somethin
Thanks, greetings from Chile x.x
Your country is really long. Mine’s pretty long too, though not as long as yours.
I’m not so sure… let me see yours
It’s one of the dark blue ones that are longish
Still looks cool, pretty nice
>china being a shithole again
every time
Thankfully I live in a country where they use it very sparse. Unfortunately, not alle the meat I consume is comming from my country…
