In my experience, KDE Plasma is surprisingly actually better than Gnome for tablet use. You would think that Gnome’s more minimal and chunky UI would make it a better fit, but Plasma just has a lot more little usability QOL features.
Did something change on the keyboard front? I love KDE but I can only use it comfortably on my Steam Deck with a horrible combination of Steam’s keyboard, Onboard and Maliit and all of them suck in their own little ways.
GNOME is more keyboard-focused “in the way the devs thought it’s good”. If users want to change the way, they gonna use tweaks, dconf editor or gsettings and navigate a jungle of key-value pairs like Windows Registry
How is KDE less keyboard-focused? I spent like ten minutes setting up kwin shortcuts and now have the same level of keyboard-only interaction as with any WM.
iOS users think the same way born from ignorance. But hey, if you don’t mind inefficient workflows and an extreme lack of customization to fix that, then GNOME works.
I don’t find it very inefficient. There’s also plenty of customization. This is a pretty specious comparison; on iOS you literally pay money a la carte for minor customization options. On GNOME, you might have to turn to less-supported third party extensions, or God forbid do some very minor config file or command line work. Far less than you’d need to do to do something similar in a tiling wm, of course… And most things that end users who just want to actually use their computer might care about are supported already. The system tray is the single feature I think is glaringly missing from GNOME currently, hopefully they’ll get that officially supported soon.
Kind of weird to get so bent out of shape about some people choosing to use a certain interface.
Both KDE and Gnome have a comparable set of default keyboard shortcuts.
The difference is if you are in KDE, you have easier ability to adjust to what you want with a lot more available shortcut actions, while in Gnome you generally are expected to live with the choices of the devs.
GNOME doesn’t have nearly enough keyboard shortcuts for me as a keyboard focused user. IMHO, keyboard use is all about customizability, which GNOME is not.
Lmao that community is hilarious - it’s all the most blatantly biased low-brow cheap shots about Linux I’ve ever seen and is just being spammed by 1-2 haters all the time 🤣
Slightly off-topic, but this annoyed me during the Win 8.1/10 start screen era as well. Just because an interface is touch-friendlier doesn’t mean it can’t also be an improvement for keyboard/mouse users as well.
Then they ditched all that and made it a worse experience for everyone in Win 11, so un turn I ditched their mess and fully switched over.
Classic shell has been installed on all of my windows machines as part of my “make windows usable” loadout since i was basically forced to upgrade* from w7 to w10
GNOME is more keyboard-focused than KDE. It just also happens to have much better touch support.
Get this meme to /linuxsucks where it belongs.
In my experience, KDE Plasma is surprisingly actually better than Gnome for tablet use. You would think that Gnome’s more minimal and chunky UI would make it a better fit, but Plasma just has a lot more little usability QOL features.
This has been my experience as well. Fedora KDE is easier and more intuitive than Fedora GNOME on my Surface Go 2.
Did something change on the keyboard front? I love KDE but I can only use it comfortably on my Steam Deck with a horrible combination of Steam’s keyboard, Onboard and Maliit and all of them suck in their own little ways.
Not everyone is the same
GNOME is more keyboard-focused “in the way the devs thought it’s good”. If users want to change the way, they gonna use tweaks, dconf editor or
gsettingsand navigate a jungle of key-value pairs like Windows RegistryYeah, this meme is a complete whiff, just seems edgy/hipster-y while ignoring the fact that nobody really cares because GNOME is a great DE.
Horrible meme but it sparked some interesting discussion.
How is KDE less keyboard-focused? I spent like ten minutes setting up kwin shortcuts and now have the same level of keyboard-only interaction as with any WM.
Well, I guess because you don’t need to do the ten minutes of setup.
Oh, I get it! I just have to reprogram my brain to the GNOME way instead of the much more efficient way that I actually want!
Use a tiling wm. GNOME is for people who want a sane, human-friendly default.
iOS users think the same way born from ignorance. But hey, if you don’t mind inefficient workflows and an extreme lack of customization to fix that, then GNOME works.
I don’t find it very inefficient. There’s also plenty of customization. This is a pretty specious comparison; on iOS you literally pay money a la carte for minor customization options. On GNOME, you might have to turn to less-supported third party extensions, or God forbid do some very minor config file or command line work. Far less than you’d need to do to do something similar in a tiling wm, of course… And most things that end users who just want to actually use their computer might care about are supported already. The system tray is the single feature I think is glaringly missing from GNOME currently, hopefully they’ll get that officially supported soon.
Kind of weird to get so bent out of shape about some people choosing to use a certain interface.
Both KDE and Gnome have a comparable set of default keyboard shortcuts.
The difference is if you are in KDE, you have easier ability to adjust to what you want with a lot more available shortcut actions, while in Gnome you generally are expected to live with the choices of the devs.
GNOME doesn’t have nearly enough keyboard shortcuts for me as a keyboard focused user. IMHO, keyboard use is all about customizability, which GNOME is not.
You can set keyboard shortcuts by the main navigation is designed to be done via mouse gestures.
This is not really a true statement then, and it’s what was being replied to.
Lmao that community is hilarious - it’s all the most blatantly biased low-brow cheap shots about Linux I’ve ever seen and is just being spammed by 1-2 haters all the time 🤣
Slightly off-topic, but this annoyed me during the Win 8.1/10 start screen era as well. Just because an interface is touch-friendlier doesn’t mean it can’t also be an improvement for keyboard/mouse users as well.
Then they ditched all that and made it a worse experience for everyone in Win 11, so un turn I ditched their mess and fully switched over.
Classic shell has been installed on all of my windows machines as part of my “make windows usable” loadout since i was basically forced to upgrade* from w7 to w10
And it can be even more keyboard focused with Pop Shell over the top. That adds tiling and window focus by shortcut, similar to i3-wm.
How do you even open the “Application” view on a touch device?