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    They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.

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      Americans doing something americanly in america: “what are we, a bunch of asians?”

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      The order to end dei in government positions. Women are included in diversity equity and inclusion. Nasa is a government agency, so it makes sense. Is it good? Absolutely not, just the wacky world we have to live in.

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      A lot of this was internal and will only be seen in documentaries down the road… if there will even be a road

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      Actually, this situation isn’t about cancel culture at all. Cancel culture typically refers to public backlash resulting in personal or professional consequences for offensive or harmful behavior. What happened here seems to be a systemic decision to remove content highlighting women in STEM at NASA.

      This isn’t driven by public outcry or social pressure; it’s a form of institutional erasure. There’s a big difference between being held accountable for harmful actions and having your achievements wiped out due to a policy change.

      These two things shouldn’t be conflated.

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          1. On Cancel Culture: The term “cancel culture” typically refers to public backlash leading to personal or professional consequences for perceived offensive behavior. In the case of the NASA bio removal, it appears to be an internal policy decision, not a result of public outcry.

          2. On Government Influence and Social Media: While there have been instances where government entities have interacted with social media platforms regarding content moderation—such as the Biden administration’s efforts to curb COVID-19 misinformation—this differs from “cancel culture.” These actions involve governmental attempts to manage public health information, which has sparked debates about free speech and censorship.

          3. On the Lab Leak Theory: The origins of COVID-19 have been extensively debated. Agencies like the FBI and the Department of Energy have assessed, with varying degrees of confidence, that a lab leak is a plausible origin. However, this remains a separate issue from the NASA bio removal and the broader discussion of cancel culture.

          Bringing up these points seems to divert from the initial discussion about the removal of a NASA bio highlighting a woman’s achievements in STEM. It’s essential to distinguish between institutional decisions, public backlash, and government policies.

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      False equivalence. Firing someone for saying racist shit isnt the same a removing a person from a website because she is a woman.

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      Huh. The only possible reason to conflate cancel culture with erasure is if you’re such a shit person with truly deplorable views that being forced to just fucking be polite feels like an attack on your person.

      Everyone knows the dog whistle involved here, buddy.

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        I don’t think I follow that train of thought. What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

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          I don’t think I follow that train of thought.

          Duh. Not being allowed to do offensive shit without consequence is obviously upsetting to you. So, yeah, of course you didn’t follow a train of thought that includes common decency.

          What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

          I think actions have consequences. I think a person who has any actual courage will accept that fact. What, do you think bigotry and prejudice shouldn’t be “undesirable”? What, you afraid of just…not being an ass???

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            Okay, so instead of focusing on making solid arguments, you been spending much of your time on name calling and insulting my intelligence instead. Is that what you consider common decency? Or should there be consequences for that?

            Seems like a clear violation of rule 1 of this forum: “Don’t throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.”

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              Oh go cry yourself a river to drown in.

              Yeah, no shit I’m not “debating in good faith”. Duh. Why the fuck would I bother?? Like, seriously, there’s nothing clever in that “asking questions” approach.

              And, if you’re gonna cry about ‘solid arguments’, fund one yourself. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember???

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        Sadly, that stooge isn’t even self aware enough to realize it’s trolling. Which makes feeding trolls so, just, tedious these days. No fun in it at all!! 😡

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      Deleting the record of a women’s scientific achievements isn’t the same as firing (or declining to renew a contract) of someone who’s falsifying test results or just being an ass.

      I wonder which person you’re actually referring to. Have a few names we can “peer review”?

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    She sounds kind of sexist. Why does it matter what sex she is? Shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of sex?

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      She does not sound sexist. She sounds justifiably upset that the organization she works for and clearly loves is trying to erase her her involvement in it just because she is a woman.

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      I’m sorry… she sounds sexist because when she talked about the article on her at nasa she mentioned… her dreams… her being raised poor… her being homeless… and… her getting a job at Nasa despite all that. Huh oh wait weird I missed the part where she made it all about her being a woman? because… she didn’t even do that? She wasn’t even highlighting that she is important as a role model to women in STEM. Didn’t even mention it in the part discussing the article that was erased. She was highlighting being a role model of achieving her dream job even though she was poor and homeless at one point. And was simply pointing out that it is being erased BECAUSE she is a woman. and you are calling HER sexist? Are you high? Can you read? You just enter a fugue state when you see the word women and make shit up that didn’t happen so you can feel better about yourself? Cuz I’m super confused how you can get sexist from what she said without just assuming she’s sexist because she is a woman.

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      To get people trested equally, you need to apply positive bias towards women whom would otherwise be treated unfairly by the current systemic biases.

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      The irony of posting this in the context of someone who had been effaced specifically because of their sex is overpowering.

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      Oh geez that would be great wouldn’t it. But it sounds like you’ve never had some tell you that you can’t do something because of your sex. Highlighting successful minorities in a field inspires and encourages others in their same position.

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      Wow.

      You have so consistently dehumanized the women in your life that this statement actually makes sense to you? Like, it’s pretty well known that women are a minority in STEM fields. What the hell you so afraid of, that celebrating a woman’s accomplishments offense you so???

      Maybe stop trying to gain power over other human beings. Cause the path you’re currently on? You fucking know where it leads. And no, dragging others down will never change the hellscape of fear and paranoia you have found. You have to walk out of the valley of despair; there is no other escape.

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          Gods, this old chestnut… Hey, on behalf of the Trans-Non-binary community can we retire this please? Not because it’s offensive, it isn’t, we just heard it more on average and it was always just bland weak sause shit. Reseting the clock on this boring ass joke from reddit five years ago is cringe. You wanna troll somebody at least make an effort greater than “I know you are but what am I?!”

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    DEI is bad! Treat everyone based on their merits! Remove the bio pages for anyone not white and male!

    … ?

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      Diversity, equity, and inclusion get in the way of their nepotism and cronyism hiring. If they were hiring based on merit alone there would be no problem being transparent and publishing their hiring decisions.

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      It’s been said better by other people but the general understanding of the right’s use of “DEI” is as a convenient blanket slur.

      It’s typically used against Black and Hispanic people the most, followed by trans people, but any/all women are convenient extra padding under the bus tires of their bigotry and insecurity.

      Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear. Use that against the cowardly bastards. They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

      Fuck ‘em.

      EDIT: It seems like Rose Ferreira is of Hispanic descent, hailing initially from the Dominican Republic then moved to NY and eventually secured an internship at NASA, and is now an astronomer and aerospace engineer. It seems like her NASA page got reinstated, maybe after backlash. She’s awesome. Hell yeah for the Streisand effect.

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        Oh absolutely. Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.

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          Not necessarily. They might be a misogynist, a militant christian or some other form of bigot as well. That’s the beauty of it, you can be “against DEI” as well as a woman or someone with more melanin than the “default” and you get to imagine they don’t hate you, just all those other people.

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          Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.

          This is such a backwards take. “DEI” could always only end in misery, because it pulls people ahead of the line in a time when the working people are already having a hard time. “Is that person hired because of the colour of their skin or the sex of their body, or have they been hired because they’re actually good?”. It could only make a large part of the population feeling left behind because of their sex or race. What do you think that does to the social foundation of a nation?

          Alas, I have no idea what a good alternative would be, but I always recognized “DEI” as a bad idea. I don’t have to be a chef to be able to tell that this dish tastes like ass, even if I can’t cook for shit myself.

          That does not make me (or anyone else who thinks DEI is ass) a white supremacist “by definition”.

          At the end of the day, it’s the ultrarich hoarding all the money that’s the actual issue - an economy that’s not fair to the citizens of the nation. The top 3 wealthiest persons in the USA have the same amount of money as the bottom 50%.

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            Careful now thats a nuanced opinion that doesn’t stroke my victim complex or reductively imply anyone who disagrees with me on complex systemic social issues is a nazi supremacist.

            Prepare to be downvoted and hit with five paragraph essay replies picking apart everything you just said. You racist, mysoginistic, hateful, privileged, homophobic, transphobic, double checks progressive slurs & insults 101 field guide uhh third Reich bringing supremacist scum.

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        Everyone seems to forget that DEI as a name for these programs started during the first Trump admin.

        DEI has always been a ruse.

        They “embraced” these concepts to get all of the existing programs to label themselves as such.

        They let Biden “extend” these programs so that anything supporting non-white-males would group together under the same banner.

        Now they are “extinguishing” the whole lot of them now that it’s nice and easy and their targets have huddled together and identified themselves.

        There was a complex network of programs doing these jobs before DEI existed. DEI was a ruse to centralize them so they could be extinguished.

        They built the barrel, then used fascist rhetoric to get all the fish to group together in the barrel. Now they’re shooting the fish in the barrel.

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          I’d love to believe it.
          I can’t find anything backing this up.
          The has become a wall of text. Sorry.


          1st half of this post is refuting “trump defined DEI”. I would live to be proved wrong on this, but it seems like something that happened during trump and was defined by Biden.
          2nd half is more positive.


          1st half…

          Mostly sourced from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion incase the commas fuck up formatting).

          I don’t know when DEI actually became the official term. Probably during the Biden administration .
          According to wiki, however, DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

          Executive Orders that first mention “equity” along side diversity and inclusion seems to be https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13583 an Obama EO.

          The best I can find relating to what you say is along the lines of this:
          https://www.britannica.com/topic/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs

          Basically, government bodies using their autonomy to enact DEI policies in response to #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, George Floyd, and lots of other public sentiment & unrest. However nothing official at the government level of “DEI”.
          Essentially, trump was asleep at the wheel with COVID and civil unrest, did fuck all (or encouraged civil unrest), and government bodies (which still had autonomy) enacted policies inline with the population.

          So, what constitutes DEI?
          What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?


          The 2nd half:

          Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
          DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
          DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
          It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
          It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
          That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equality and freedom for all.


          And a bit more ideologically…

          Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
          But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
          It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
          Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


          Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

          Edit: typo, equality not equity

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            Thank you so much for your work on this.

            My post that you are replying to is mostly a tongue-in-cheek commentary on how programs that have existed for decades self-labeled as something that the right was able to rally against, thereby making themselves a single large target instead of a decentralized force distributed across agencies.

            I just know that I first started seeing “DEI” as a label pop up in the first Trump admin. Frankly, in 2018, it was called “Climate and Diversity” in my local environment. Shortly thereafter it got relabeled.

            DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

            Yup! Remember how I said that before it was labeled there was a complex network of programs doing this job? DEI is more of a label than a program. I fully agree.

            So, what constitutes DEI?
            What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?

            It’s not well defined! It’s a scare word. It’s a label that we lined up behind that unintentionally made it easy for antiracist programs to be identified and targeted.

            Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
            DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
            DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
            It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
            It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
            That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equity and freedom for all.

            I can’t agree more! The label of DEI just makes these programs easier to find. This us true both for people seeking assistance from these programs and for people seeking to dismantle them. Such identification is a double-edged sword, and that’s what my depressed brain was trying to communicate.

            Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
            But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
            It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
            Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


            Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

            I love you. Thank you for this message of hope. I’m sorry to qualify it by saying: just because data can be restored, doesn’t mean that people or careers can be.

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              Nice.
              With the tongue in cheek context, I understand your comment more: DEI (as an idea & movement) blossomed under trumps first term, because of the bullshit he caused and the reaction of the public.
              The government had actual civil servants (as opposed to appointed oppressors or whatever), and reacted in a sensible way.

              But yeh, the damage being done to people is unimaginable. People’s entire careers are being deleted from public records because they are a woman in STEM, or because they are the wrong colour, or because they don’t fit Christians opinion of normal. It’s fucked up

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                I don’t have to imagine it. Part of why I’m grumpy and bitching on the internet is that I’ve found myself unemployed with a deleted career and an almost-finished phd. I’m kind of at a loss for what to do or what comes next or how I’ll pay rent in two weeks. I’m scared and I was victim blaming myself. Thanks for helping to contextualize my pain and pull me back to reality. I’m doing a lot better now after talking to people on lemmy than I was last night or even this morning.

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                  You mentioned space science, right? I’m an engineer at an aerospace company, feel free to message me if you want to chat about the industry, I’d love to help if I can.

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                  Yeh, venting on the internet helps. And it’s always great when you actually connect with someone.

                  I always wish I’d learned a trade. Electrician, plumber or tiler. Get an apprenticeship, learn a trade, be a sole trader, do something physical that’s always in demand.
                  Plenty out there to do, and it’s ok to mourn your last job (being a student/doctorate is a job).
                  Connect with old friends and family. Meet some new people. Somebody will be looking for someone smart and compassionate

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        As I keep telling people, they keep saying “DEI” because even most Bible belt folks get uncomfortable when you drop the hard R they really want to say.

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        They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

        in australia and new zealand we have a concept called “tall poppy syndrome” (people who stand out from the crowd, who promote themselves excessively and publicly) and the reaction to that: “cutting down the tall poppy”. cutting down the tall poppy originally meant just bringing them back down to earth, but kinda morphed into simply criticising anyone that does well

        we tend to have a relatively strong egalitarian streak, and perhaps that change was tearing people down rather than distributing their success to equalise

        anyway, related: tearing down the tall poppy, ie pulling down anyone that stands out

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        Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear.

        Hi, it’s me, I’m the “well akshuslly” guy today. Fascism (and the whole right-wing mindset) is based on fear, primarily fear that they, personally and individually, are interior. That’s why they need the constant and over-the-top demonstrations of dominance and claims of superiority—to drown out those fears.

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          I appreciate where you’re coming from. I said it the way I did because for some, at least from my observation, there is a sick sadism to it rather than fear alone.

          Academic definitions would agree with you and it does hold true for the general populace; however I wanted to add the caveat so as not to mistakenly give the impression that fascists should be pitied, in any capacity.

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      The current admin cabinet hires are completely based on DEI. What other companies would hire such a diverse cadre of alcoholics, rapists, and idiots, while most companies tend to hire on merit.

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      Women and visible minorities are often given the absolute worst conditions for getting out of the shit cycle started by white dudes. This can mean that they don’t have great scores on tests and stuff and that can look like they are, by default, not as smart if you’re the kind of person whose brain is barely firing enough to allow you to breathe.

      So you extend that out and suddenly it’s “wait if they get hired at all and they’re not as smart that means they don’t deserve it!”. DEI does, I’m sure, bring some people in that might not be the best candidates but it never brings in people who are unqualified for the job like the racists believe, and the even the metric for “best” on paper is clouded by the aforementioned lack of support.

      They’re connected because these people believe that there’s no way a straight white male would ever lose to a minority or a woman despite the fact that most of the people who believe it are huge losers barely stumbling through life while ignoring the fact that they are supported by everyone else.

      I’m a straight, white dude whose parents can financially support me when I need it shit’s hard enough as-is. To act like I don’t have serious privilege and like so many people don’t have it even worse than me…god I can’t even fathom that level of self-centered egotism.

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        I’ve got cousins who live in a house purchased by my grandparents. Pretty sure my uncle has always lived in places they’ve bought? His kids, college age, told me that they aren’t privileged…

        Apparently they’re fucking stupid.

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          Man, why is it so common to find those people among the group that is so clearly privileged even compared to poor people that are otherwise exactly like them?

          I mean, I’m sure it’s because we fetishize hardship and idiots feel like they aren’t of value unless they’ve had some kind of major setback so having privilege makes them feel like they didn’t still earn whatever it was just because doing it didn’t come with a heap of other issues but fuck.

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        If someone hired someone provably less qualified that would be easy grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. The problem is actually usually the opposite. People from disadvantaged groups often have to work way harder and be way more qualified just to be treated equally in society.

        DEI isn’t about who we hire and fire specifically but about how we as a society of institutions act overall. People in DEI might review the hiring and firing practices more holistically as one part of their job. Possibly focusing on recruiting practices including all communities (who are you advertising the job to?), job descriptions being simplified and more honest to what is actually required (broadening who qualifies), training hiring and firing authorities about unconscious bias, etc. That enables them to follow the eeoc laws and truly hire people that are most qualified while having a more representative candidate pool, resulting in a more representative group of employees. When you’re correcting your hiring practices to be more equitable, you don’t need to hire people less qualified.

        DEI would also be how they are treated once there, how the organization treats their staff in a fair and equitable manner. How current policies and processes can be changed to remove structural bias. How to best utilize a broad range of perspectives to improve your organization. For business often how you can include a broader range of targets to market to, etc. Analyzing the structure as a whole for institutional bias. That’s all DEI.

        The right has perverted the concept of DEI to make people believe unqualified people are landing positions when that’s not what DEI is even there for.

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      I think the justification for things like this is that they don’t feel like they got there on their merits in the first place

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    So how much longer before we get pissed enough to start doing something about it? I’m a white CIS heterosexual male and this is infuriating to me. This isn’t correction of DEI policies. This is blatant sexism and racism. Fuck these nazis.

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      Look into your local PSL or DSA. Us socialist are on the top of the leaderboard for Nazi killing and it’s not even close. Join the SRA too. This shits not going away with votes. Fascism doesn’t let you vote it out of power.

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        I do not recognize those acronyms, but would like to know more! Can you point me in the right direction?

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          Party for Socialism and Liberation (Marxist Leninists) Democratic Socialist of America (DemSocs) Socialist Rifle Association (All leftist welcome)

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      I watched AOC’s “What’s Happening & How You Can Take Action” video and thought it was really impactful, so much so I decided to write up a summary of the insights, copy pasted below.

      TL;TR for what you can do about it:

      1. Know your rights and teach other people their rights
      2. Contact your representative
      3. Help organize for Florida special elections to elect Gay Valimont & Joshua Weil

      Additional stuff that may be useful eventually:

      1. If something like war ever breaks out, engage in simple sabotage when you can. Short preview of link: “Whenever possible, arrange to have the fire start after you have gone away. Use a candle and paper, combination, setting it as close as possible to the inflammable material you want to burn”

      However, we’re not currently there yet. We don’t need to wait until things get impossibly bad before taking action. If you think all that stuff like “contacting representatives” & “organizing for elections” will do is slow our collective downfall, then realize that a slowed downfall means more time to organize a resistance and more time for vulnerable groups to escape the country.

      Also, feel free to copy-paste this excerpt anywhere if you’d like!

      TL;TR End


      Insights from “What’s Happening & How You Can Take Action” by AOC:

      Executive Orders are not that powerful: For all the Executive Orders being signed, know that they’re not actually as powerful as they might seem. Congress can block Executive Orders, courts can block Executive Orders (you might have heard of this being done for the EO ending birthright citizenship), and they’re essentially more limited in scope/permanence than actually signed laws. In fact, much of the EOs Trump has signed are meaningless or completely unconstitutional, which is not a pointless distinction, because as mentioned before, courts are blocking these EOs.

      Fascist dictators thrive on perceived power instead of actual power. They want to “flood the zone,” pump out so much terrible nonsense the populace becomes overwhelmed and docile. Don’t believe them, don’t become docile and don’t consent in advance. The reason Trump is using Executive Orders instead of actual laws is because he knows he only has a slim majority in the House (218R-215D, ie 2R’s could flip a vote, 2 vacancies in FL to be voted on 4/1, 1 R departure in NY-21 to be up for another special election)/Senate (53R-47D/I, ie 4R’s could flip a vote), and he doesn’t want his perceived power to crumble, such as when 3 GOP Senators John McCain, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski blocked an Obamacare Repeal Bill “Health Care Freedom Act” from going through in 2017.

      (In this case, by erasing this womans history NASA is doing a little thing called complying in advance.)

      Action Being Done by Democrats: Apparently Trump did a bunch of stuff while Congress was on recess, and they only got back in session Feb 5th, which was why there hasn’t been much news from democrats. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries recently released a 10 objectives plan for House Democrats to obstruct the administration

      What You Can Do: While I’m sure we’re all positively exhausted with everything going on, at a minimum, you can know your rights regarding ICE Raids: Don’t let them in without a Judicial warrant signed by a Judge, don’t answer their questions even if you are a citizen, don’t talk to them without a lawyer. If you have extra energy, you can:

      1. Educate people on their rights by printing up Know Your Rights Cards to hand out
      2. Contact your Representatives urging them to obstruct Trump nominees while Elon is invading the Treasury
      3. Help Organize for the Florida special elections 4/1 for the House of Representatives. While it would be difficult for these +30R seats to flip (Note in the Jan 29th Iowa special election for Senate (a state Trump won by +21) actually flipped to Democrats), even switching a +30R district to a +10R district lets Republicans know their policies are unpopular and they should think twice before supporting Trump’s policies. Additionally, there will eventually be another special election to fill a House of Representatives Republican vacancy up for grabs in NY-21.
      4. Help Organize for other Swing Elections near you

      Additional stuff that may be useful eventually:

      1. If something like war ever breaks out, engage in simple sabotage when you can (short preview: “Whenever possible, arrange to have the fire start after you have gone away. Use a candle and paper, combination, setting it as close as possible to the inflammable material you want to burn”)

      However, we’re not currently there yet. We don’t need to wait until things get impossibly bad before taking action. If you think all that stuff like “contacting representatives” & “organizing for elections” will do is slow our collective downfall, then realize that a slowed downfall means more time to organize a resistance and more time for vulnerable groups to escape the country.

      Contacting your Representatives: To contact your representatives, you can make a short 2 min phone call to their office, which will either be removedd up by a staffer or go to voicemail. Representatives listen to phone calls when trying to get a sense of what their constituents care about, but other forms of contact (email, text, etc) are by and large ignored. Additionally, you should say where you live, because representatives only care about what their constituents think, not outside people. Note that the voicemails only record up to 2 min so be brief. You can find your representatives phone numbers at https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member

      To express your views to your representatives, the format goes like this: “Hi, my name is [Name] and I live in [City, State, Zip Code]. I wanted to ask for your support on [Policy, Bill, etc]. [Anecdote if you have one to be more personalized]. Thank you for listening, my phone number is [Phone Number] and my email is [Email].”

      I personally have just called my senators to let them know I want them to vote NO on advancing/approving all Trump nominees, and that I supported them continuing obstructionist actions including the 30hr filibuster against Russ Vought, Trump’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget pick. Florida 4/1 Special Elections for 2 House of Representative Members: Summary, trying to elect Gay Valimont (D) District 1 & Joshua Weil (D) District 6. You can sign up to volunteer on their websites (linked) if you’d like.

      New York-21 Eventual Special Election for 1 House of Representative Member: Elise Stefanik ® will be vacating her seat to become the U.N. Ambassador for the Trump administration, after which within 80-90 days a special election will be held for a new House member. While it’s somewhat of a pipe dream, if Dems win all 3 of these House seats up for grabs, it puts the House at 218D-217R.


      I hope this helped you get a sense of what you can do, feel free to copy-paste this anywhere if you’d like!

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        Fascist dictators thrive on perceived power instead of actual power. They want to “flood the zone,” pump out so much terrible nonsense the populace becomes overwhelmed and docile. Don’t believe them, don’t become docile and don’t consent in advance.

        Well said

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          I would say AOC has a very emphasized presence in media that often allows her to break through into headlines despite corporate media’s tendency to never cover anything good a Democrat does ever and instead push this narrative that ‘if Democrats can’t manage to pass some legislation it’s Democrats fault for not doing enough and if Republicans do something awful it’s Democrats fault for not stopping them.’ The stereotype goes if Democrats hold rallies across all 50 states it’s radio silence, but if Trump breathes it gets 24/7 news coverage at work to normalize him, etc.

          To be honest I’m a bit guilty of this too. I don’t actively search for what members of Congress are saying/doing, and I originally only watched AOC’s video because it was being shared around on social media. That being said, I decided to search around a bit to see what members of Congress are saying:

          • Here’s Bernie Sander’s YouTube, he’s been talking about oligarchs lately
          • Ilhan Omar saying Trumps executive orders don’t have support from GOP in Congress on CBS News
          • Ayanna Pressley at a rally speaking out against Musk
          • Plently of complaining from inside the halls of Congress like from Greg Casar

          TL;DR: I would say AOC is probably the best at messaging directly to the people, and perhaps other members of Congress aren’t quite as effective as her, but a lot of them are still doing something even if we don’t always hear about it

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      If someone starts a revolution I’d join the fight. “And just because he’s a worker, no class can free him but his own. The emancipation of the working class is the task of the worker alone.”

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        Isn’t that part of the problem? Everyone is waiting for the revolution to start. Everyone is waiting for the next Luigi. Everyone is waiting.

        Nothing’s getting better, but someone will come and fix all these problems any time now and I’ll be on their side!

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          Are you volunteering? 😅

          That’s the thing, though. As long as most people can comfortably skate by, that’s exactly what they’ll do. But, push come to shove, should things get bad enough, that’s when revolt happens.

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            No, I’m not volunteering because I don’t think either thing will work. But the people calling for those things to happen are waiting for someone else to do it.

            Also, how are things not bad enough right now? They’re sending people to Gitmo. Trump and Musk fired people who are responsible for safeguarding our nuclear weapons because they didn’t know what they did. People didn’t even notice despite it being all over the news. Or at least they didn’t notice enough to pick up their torches and pitchforks.

            And that’s just the latest horrific thing he’s done in the past three weeks.

            So what’s it going to take?

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      The problem is, where do we start? We’ve been, er, “taking the L” for so long, when are we going to start giving the L?

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          PSL is the only actual revolutionary party in America that I know of right now. The green party is a joke.

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          Go piss in the wind! The US Green Party is not the same as the European versions, with exception to the turd and loser, Joschka Fischer.

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          No. Fuck the Green Party. They’ve disappeared immediately after the election like they always do, and we will not hear about them again for another four years.

          They are not a real party.

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            Can someone explain why all this hatred for the green party? I don’t know anything about them but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason for that is active silencing.

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              They are a fake party that comes out every four years (after primary season, when they could have become an actual viable candidate in our broken two-party system), to be a spoiler candidate that siphons votes from the Democratic party.

              Every time.

              Then they disappear for four years, and re-appear again at the same time during the next presidential election cycle and do it all again. They are not a serious party. If they were, they would have actual candidates running at state and local levels. They would participate in the primary process and/or campaign to switch away from First Past the Post system.

              But they do none of that.

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              They exist merely to help an incumbent conservative president win by siphoning votes away from disgruntled progressives. They come out of the dark at election time, then disappear after the election, like demented cicadas.

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                Hahahah ok I understand how that is what practically happens, but where do they stand politically? What I mean is, this time we saw Harris support fracking and guns, having a lackluster response to Israeli aggression - to say the least - buddying up with Liz Cheney etc etc. Do people who are disappointed by this right turn have any reason to turn to the greens? If not, is there anyone else?

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            We haven’t disappeared. The media only covers us when we’re running presidential candidates.

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              What positions have the green party been elected to? I don’t mean nationally I mean state side.

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              Oh cool, then I’m sure you guys will start campaigning right away with some new, serious, progressive faces to go against democrats in primary elections?

              No? You’ll be gone until 2028?

              Prove me wrong.

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                Do you mean midterms? Primaries are done within parties.

                Again, we are running candidates, but you likely haven’t heard about them because, like I said, we only get coverage during presidential elections.

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                  Well until we get rid of first past the post, they have zero chance as a third party. Their only real chance would be to primary with the major party that they most align with.

                  Also, just because you can find one or two examples of green party candidates, does not mean that they are a real party. There is more to a political party than just allowing a person to use your party’s name while campaigning.

                  We need a real, grassroots, progressive party. The Green Party could clean up their act and become a serious party, and they’d still be shit because the name carries so much baggage. There are a whole lot of people who have been burned and will never vote Green Party again for the rest of their lives. Everyone would be better off with a new party.

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      So how much longer before we get pissed enough to start doing something about it?

      Says the guy making no note of anything he is doing about it.

      The people in power aren’t going to do anything about it because they want it this way.

      Half the regular people also want it this way

      Of the people left, somewhere around 50% don’t care either way.

      And of the last people left who do care, probably at least half of those aren’t doing anything < this is presumably where you are.

      You can’t just sit around and expect everyone else to be as angry or angrier than you and expect everything to work out because THEY’LL do something about it.

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        Half the regular people also want it this way

        Only 28% of adults voted for this and lots of Trump voters just wanted the cheaper groceries that Trump promised them (he lied).

        So please don’t spread the lie that Trump has majority support or any kind of mandate. He doesn’t. Over a 100 million people didn’t bother to vote because they have no faith or hope that voting can improve their lives. They aren’t wrong. At best, electing Democrats is just a stay of execution.

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          Only 28% of adults voted for this

          Uh, isn’t that how American elections work? It’s decided based on the proportion of people who voted, not on the proportion of all adults. Trump won the popular vote 49.9% to 48.3% with the second highest number of votes in U.S. history. I don’t think any democracy divides votes by the total number of adults. How would that even work?

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            It does mean that not much more than 28% of the adult population support him though.

            So he’s enacting all these democracy eroding changes for techno-authoitirians/fuedalists off of less than 1/3rd of the US’s population’s support.

            Elections don’t care, nor does policy. But it is closer to 1/4 than 1/2 of people who can even begin to be said as his supporters. Despite what the media cycle might imply.

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        You can’t really assume people aren’t organizing themselves just from a post like that. Its also bad for opsec to just post what you are up to online. Plenty of people are, there just aren’t enough people as people are stuck in the mindset that the systems haven’t collapsed yet so there is no need to build up a safety net.

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      Well let’s see… This country has been dealing with these issues for the entirety of its existence, so the time to start doing something about it has long passed.

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        It’s also now. Now is the time. The best time was before. The next best time is now.

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          Struggle your whole life then see how much of you is left to keep fighting. Death is the only path to peace.

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      Fuck these nazis.

      Are you going to storm the Capitol like your granddads stormed the beaches of Normandy? Are you going to only bitch about it on the internet, or are you actually going to do something about it - storming the Capitol not necessarily has to be a part of it - you can plan a better alternative.

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        Typical American response. Yeehaw you gonna kill some people er what!?

        Attacking each other is not going to solve this problem because the wealthy have been pitting us against each other for a long time now. It was the wealthy that caused WWII and every other major war where everyone but them ends up dying.

        I agree there are better alternatives.

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          Typical American response.

          Alright, calm down, no need to insult me like that!

          I’m just getting sick of the keyboard warriors that bitch and moan on the internet about the situation, yet have exactly zero plans to do literally anything about it. They could write to their representatives, they could work towards Dems winning local elections, they could become politically active by demonstrating, etc.

          But all I see are online complaints; no plans. Storming the Capitol should be option Z, but maybe Americans can start with Plan A, eh?

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            I think the issue is the US was founded by the wealthy for the wealthy. The solution is more than just writing your representatives, demonstrating, and getting involved with local politics. All these things can help the situation, but they won’t solve the problem.

            We really need a new constitution that protects our rights. We need to be able to say everyone is guaranteed access to housing, medical care, education, work, and privacy. We need to state that governments and corporations cannot manipulate people anymore. They are using the best of psychology and sociology science against us, this is unacceptable.

            We have to ensure resources are fairly distributed, that wealth is spread out, and that our political institutions are designed to resist corruption. We have to look past popular vote for representation along with all the other systems we use that trap us in this never ending cycle of pitting people against each other for political gain. We need to move beyond having the government be an abusive entity representing monied interests.

            Until we get these things we will never be able to move on. We will forever be trapped in a system that only values how much it can extract from us.

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          Yeah me too. Storming anything is not likely the solution. If we get to the point of all out violence a lot can be lost in a short amount of time. But organizing protests or work stoppages can and do work with enough participation. But there’s the problem, enough participation. I don’t really know what the solution is but I am willing to participate even if it hurts. This shit ain’t right.

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            The original comment is a dumb way to say it. But fascism doesn’t let you vote it out of power. Fascism doesn’t respond peacefully to peaceful protest either. Organized resistance will require violence in response to the inevitable violence of the state. The key word here being organized. The time for peaceful organization and voting has passed. Once fascist are in power the only thing to be done in the political arena is meant to delay while an organized resistance force can be formed. I highly doubt that will happen. But history tells us that this is the only viable option. All other efforts are only meant to delay. But if you’re only delaying and not organizing actual armed resistance than your delay is without purpose.

            Storming the capital is dumb. Hardening your local neighborhood with an armed resistance and safe harbor for the targets of the fascist is where efforts should be put. This is about saving lives and building allies locally. It’s the best place to put effort right now to protect the first targets of the fascist. Right now that is undocumented people. But they won’t stop there. They never do.

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        You have to figure out how to reach people and get them off of the social media and bullshit news.

        Someone like that I would say, “who told you that? Mark Zuckerburg? That guys a fuckin’ greedy little creep. Fuck that guy.”

        But you can’t be too much of an asshole, you have to “rib” them and act like it’s kind of funny.

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    I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.

    Insanity.

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      Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.

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      Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.

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        I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.

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          And we do. Only people unaware of the problem aren’t worked about it.

          But these people seem unable to parse tough choices and bad choices.

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      I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.

      I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.

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      make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.

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      Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.

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        That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.

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      I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.

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          Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.

          In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.

          In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)

          I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.

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      His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.

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        maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.

        Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.

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    The 1950s boom was built on two things. Subsidizing a middle class instead of corporate (awesome). And the notion that a mediocre white male was more valuable in any job role than a woman or a non-white male.

    The 1950s was, in part, built on the backs of women sent home from jobs after the war to have those jobs taken by folks who may or may not have been less qualified, as it was based entirely on gender, and to lesser extent, color.

    Woman’s minds were squandered. I encourage you to ask about grandma back in the day. How mean was she? How mentally I’ll was she? How many suicides or addictions occurred? The mean stories abound at this time for a reason. Alternatively there’s the paper thin personality-less woman who avoids anything even remotely confrontational.

    Ask your family.

    Equality before the law is introduced and a subset of men who don’t have coping skills for not having power over other human beings, lack capacity to stand as an individual, lose their collective shit.

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      Three things, don’t forget that American companies got a lot of European contracts to help rebuild after WWII. There’s too many people out there that ignore that influx of money and try to say the economic boom of the 50s was because misogyny and racism worked.

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        Good point, saying the quiet part out loud. There will always be That Guy from the low coping skills set who will try to make that argument.