RIP democracy :(
Yeah seems like that was it for the US. Have fun living in Gilead.
Oligarchs have all the power now
Democratic party is fucking useless. We will never be free unless we rid ourselves of legalized corruption.
We still got mid terms
I do not trust Americans to “do their own research”. I’ve seen how that has gone in the past. Too many Americans do their own research while scrolling Facebook from the toilet.
“do their own research”
That’s redneck for “I found someone that agrees with me on the Facebook”.
Average lemmyml user
Satan himself could’ve posted that and he would still be right. Rather than being busy shitting on people for being the wrong kind of people who is right, you should shit on a people voting actual, literal Nazis ans facists into power.
don’t make me put on the mittens
Democracy supporters have to win every single time, while the fascists only have to win once. This is not a sustainable situation. We have to do what is necessary in a way that’s a lot more permanent than just winning an election.
That’s only going to happen if the side in favor of democracy is given a decisive victory. Squeaking out another win isn’t going to be enough.
Indeed, the first step would be to dump the Electoral College.
Preferably out the back of a C130 just off the coast of Florida.
That requires carrying this energy past the election cycle, regardless of the differences we may have on opinion, and coming together in agreement.
Historically, the Left has been rather poor at banding together. We’re more likely to argue than get things done most of the time. So it’ll be an uphill battle for leaders of smaller groups across the Nation. First though, we need to make it past this hurdle.
Voting for Democrats isn’t even voting for the Left anymore. More Rlite.
It’s still a choice that we should strive to utilize. Not doing so may mean not having that choice, or the illusion of one. I do agree though, it’s about time we shifted things back towards a better life for everyone.
I think a big part of this is rural over representation. Not even talking the senate, but the house to be fair should allot 1 rep per the minimum pop of any state, which would give us about 573 reps and like 676 electors for president. Hell if we did it as the founders intended, one per like 60k people we’d have a house of 5.6k members.
Unfortunately the huge land owners want unequal representation, and they have a lot of power.
So anyways, I started
blastinteaching my loved ones how to safely build guillotines.The founders thought they inoculated us against tyranny in 1776.
They also had slaves. A lot of slaves. Maybe we shouldn’t accept their fight against tyranny at face value.
Also, if they’re so smart, then why are they dead?
They did, but you gotta get your booster shots every now and then.
“…The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.”
- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Nov 13, 1787
Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them.
Good goddamn, Jefferson was wrong again. I bet this is what a lot of judges are thinking about when looking at J6 cases.
I also have this weird feeling that there was some assumption of gentleman’s decorum back then even with those one disagreed with.
I appreciate his “forgive them, educate them, and move on” ideal. As if surely, once they’ve learned how things are, they will calm down! I wish it were that way.
But I think he’d be (im/de)pressed with just how low the bar has fallen when it comes to civil human behavior, general education esp. in civic affairs, and practical reasoning. There is no line too far anymore. There is no punishment for violating foundational social contracts or civil discourse.
One half is constantly flabbergasted that the other half keeps flagrantly violating the power of their office and saying “So what? I’m winning.”
We’re just so far past the point of reason now.
Edit: Also remember, Jefferson wrote this long before the Civil War. I believe his point in “forgive them and move on” was optimistically more in the interest of preserving the young Republic at all costs, rather than letting it crumble from the inside with internal feuds. (As is the fate of many rebellions)
Considering we had things like fist fight, a near fatal beating with a cane, etc on the floor of congress back then, I don’t think much of their old timey decorum
I don’t think your assumption is accurate. They famously started shooting at a government because they taxed them a little more than they wanted to be taxed (to pay for a war we started).
They did a great job at that. It has lasted 248 years. But they also gave us a framework for updating our constitution and government, and that has been sorely neglected for a long time. The founders were wise enough to recognize that the system would need to change as times changed. What they didn’t seem to anticipate is the insane tribalism created by technologies that weren’t even a dream at the time, and how that tribalism would grind our government to a halt.
you guys need to force a reform.
Huzzah!
Not really. The fascists won in Germany, yet they’re not currently fascist. Nothing is forever.
Fascism was defeated because of the Allies, led by the US, the country with the most powerful military in the world by a large margin. Who’s going to defeat the US if it goes full fascist?
80% of Nazi casualties happened on the eastern front by the Communists. But yeah, the Soviet Union no longer exists, Russia has fallen to fascism, and now the US has too. The world is fucked.
It’s a good question that I don’t have the answer to, but I don’t think the USA would be able to continue funding a military 20x the expense of the next most powerful military while under authoritarian rule. We have the funds for such a military now because of a hundred different conditions that wouldn’t exist anymore under a fascist government.
The US spends 3.4% of GDP in defence. Israel is at 5.3%. Also the US only spends a bit more then 3x what China spends and well US products are more expensive. So the US can probably fund its military for quite some time, without too many problems and right wingers love to do it, to bomb the shit out of people.
Fascist governments always collapse eventually because of loyalty over competence, but the thought of the damage a powerful country like the US would do before that collapse is terrifying.
I mean, Russia has been a fascist country for 30 years now and they haven’t collapsed
It is. Even just the economic damage that the world would suffer is horrifying.
I questioned if I should add more context, but people will suffer a lot of hardship if the global economy is flipped upside down. It’s not the rich assholes I worry about, it’s the common person who will struggle to find a job or buy milk.
The EU will … oh wait, nevermind
So what, at you going to start the
frenchUS revolution? That seems like a extreme idea that probably won’t end well.The US is a democracy. There is no threat outside of the fake information spread by US adversaries. Even if the worse president is elected there still little danger because of the balance of power.
Don’t believe me? Look at the past. The supreme court and congress has put the executive branch in its place before. There is not more danger now than there was centuries ago. The US system is far from perfect but it is well proven.
The supreme court and congress has put the executive branch in its place before.
The SC betrayed democracy with Citizens United and again when they gave Trump immunity for his countless crimes while in office. Don’t forget that the SC openly take bribes from billionaires.
The revolution will not be hosted on the fediverse.
I hope you are right, but excuse me for having doubts. Both Congress and SCOTUS is much more partisan than it was in the past. SCOTUS’s ruling on presidential immunity is a direct example, eroding the checks and balances within the Constitution. McConnell’s behavior and vote during the Jan 6th Impeachment trial is a second example. Trump’s first term in 2016 started with him having no idea what he was doing, so he depended on establishment Republicans who would act as the adults in the room. That term ended with him having fired all of them, and with an attempted coup to stay in power. So far there have been no repercussions to him doing so. So yeah, excuse me for being worried about a potential “dictator on day one” who wants to deport millions of “illegals”, would send the military against his political opponents who he has labeled the “enemy within”, and to completely purge career public servants for loyalists (are you looking forward to Hershal Walker managing our National Missile Defense?).
There is not more danger now than there was centuries ago
The way you describe American history as “centuries” like we’re the Roman Empire or Egypt when we’ve only got 2.5 centuries to choose from.
Fair but my point still stands. We’ve been here a long time and though much worse times. (The US civil war comes to mind)
(The US civil war comes to mind)
I mean hey you’re right, we’re still here…but we’d really REALLY like to prevent a second one of those…From the reviews I’ve read it wasn’t a fun time for pretty much anybody involved.
There is no chance of a second civil war. The current “crisis” is artificial and brought on by the media.
There was never any democracy here to save, and no way to make it sustainable without tearing down the constitution and starting over, and no way to hold a new constitutional convention that wouldn’t be poisoned by money and power from the start.
You’re not completely wrong. There are many aspects of our system that are deeplh undemocratic: the way that the donor class gatekeeps who is able to run, the way politicians serve lobbyists and donors over the public will, and the way that oligarchs own 95% of our news media all create an environment where the interests of the people are not represented by our government
I get why people say you “have to” vote against someone in a First Past The Post voting system. What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.
I wish the democrats had one tenth the urgency they claim to have. Democracy is one election away from falling… wouldn’t you want multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election?
Democrats are so full of themselves, they won’t accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country. This fight is greater then the democratic party. They should start acting like it by pushing to get rid of FPTP voting in the states they control.
What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.
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The Democrats didn’t secure a large enough majority in previous elections to overcome Republican resistance to changing things like FPTP voting or the electoral college.
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There is a lot of contention within the Democratic party (at the federal level at least) as it shifts further towards the right in an effort to remain in power. Getting rid of FPTP voting would make it harder for centrist/right leaning Democrats to remain in power.
Several states have switched to RCV for some of their elections, and progress has been slow, but it’s being made. If you want to see more, elect people that prioritize implementing better voting systems.
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Four years ago we gave it a stay of execution. Until we fully purge the fascist and focus government to actually serve the people, we are going to keep finding ourselves in chaos, until China beats us to and at everything.
Yeah, a Trump victory scares me, but what scares me more is the more competent fascist that comes next. The Democrats can’t keep waiting for the Republicans to, “come to their senses.” The material conditions of the working class need to improve, or fascist populism will take in the absence of economic populism.
No other fascist has the cult of personality that trump does. If we can rid ourselves of this scourge, it will cause a reckoning and reset among the conservatives. I hope.
I doubt that, but it would be nice if you’re right.
It’s crazy how the global powers have handed China so much power as a result of their insatiable greed. China was hardly a concern 40 years ago, but 4 decades of manufacturing and stealing literally everyone’s IP have given them resources they didn’t have access to before.
China didn’t have to steal anything, the west handed them all of our trade and engineering secrets on a silver platter just to boost their profit margins.
Twenty years ago they were still basically nothing.
Voting is like breathing.
Every election is the most important one of yopur life.
Democracy ? In US? lol US is a Plutocracy
Oligarchy.
Monarchy
Coming Soon™
No is really isn’t
Creating uncertainty is what the Russian influencing campaigns aim to do. The US is as strong as ever and there is no reason to worry at all. We have the balance of powers for a reason.
Next you’ll tell us Putin’s Russia is as strong as ever
Look up Viktor Orban and how he successfully dismantled Democracy in Hungary. The plan has already been laid out, and it’s being followed precisely.
Seriously – the parallels in that journey are shockingly similar.
The US is as weak as ever as we have a stacked system due to Republicans following the same playbook, and slowly tipping the scales over the time using gerrymandering and whatever they can manage to pull off, any time they can manage to pull it off. We’re seeing less and less people responsible for more and more power. Our supreme court has ruled that the president is immune from prosecution, etc.
There are plenty of additional examples, but the only way you’re arguing what you’re arguing is if you haven’t been paying attention. If you want more, feel free to look up Project 2025
I have looked it up and I think it was BS.
Also they said the same thing about Biden and we are still here.
Well that’s plenty of proof that you didn’t read anything about Viktor Orban at all. There was nothing about my previous reply that had anything to do with biden - not a single parallel at all. In fact, nobody of note has ever made any similar claim about Biden whatsoever. Thanks for taking the mask off. Have a great day.
We need a “bad guy” for everyone to get back on the same team but as it turns out, we are the “bad guy”.
that’s why we keep being forced to chose between the lesser of two evils; it’s still evil either way
Except people aren’t choosing the lesser of 2 evils every time. If they did, it would pass back across that “Evil” line. That’s literally the nature of it.
Not when both choices keep gradually drifting towards more evil. The current Dem leadership is to the right of Reagan and trying to rehabilitate one of the worst war criminals and -profiteers in the history of the world and his ideologically identical daughter.
I see what you are saying but I don’t think that’s the problem. The problem is the media turning everything into a dramatic fight for freedom. It happens on both sides and it is always us vs them.
Americans need to stop believing what they are told and do there own research. Additionally, we need more factual sources of information. (Spoiler: the national news isn’t one of them)
do there own research
Aye, they could maybe start with researching there spelling lol
I rather fight for the Republic and not a state plant.
I’m with you.
What democracy?
The Democrats and Republicans fought harder to keep the party I support off the ballot than they did to stop each other from getting elected.
If a democracy allows this level of evil, better that it should die
Have fun with that. But last I checked, lots of us don’t have the freedom to just migrate across the globe to a region that isn’t collapsing and this would spell misery and anguish for countless people across the globe.
(Yes, if the U.S destabilizes, further global power imbalances will follow.)
So giving up and pretending to take the high ground over it isn’t exactly in anybody’s best interest.
If you wouldn’t even take this bare minimum risk of death to end genocide then you were never really against genocide to begin with.
The US collapsing is in the world’s best interest. If the collapse of the US causes chaos then it’s what the US deserves for causing chaos everywhere else for so many decades
Again .ml user syndrome all pro-soviet and pro-china at least anti-capitalism
If being against genocide is being pro-soviet, pro-china, and anti-capitalism, then maybe those are the right positions to take.
Defending the US is defending an evil imperial death machine. You just can’t see that because the death machine benefits you
The anti-capitalist isn’t the bad thing ,but a thing I have seen in absolutely all .ml users even the good ones.
