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  • Profiting off the suffering of others isn’t acceptable behavior. Establishments that do so should be boycotted where possible and practicable. I think protest is a justified response.

    Abuse. Torture. Murder.

    Vegan extremists throw those words around like they are universal facts of animal farming. They are in large concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) which is what the things that you might refer to as, “factory farms” are actually called. Small family farms, homesteads, and crofts treat their animals far better than CAFOs do. Animals aren’t abused or tortured on most family farms. When you use ridiculous inflammatory language like that most people stop listening to anything else you have to say.

    Given two scenarios where I’m potentially wrong, the one where I’m mistaken and vegan is the one with a substantially more ethical outcome than the one where I’m mistaken and not vegan.

    The issue isn’t you being vegan. Take the back of your hand off your forehead and calm down. I don’t care what you eat. If you want to eat vegan eat vegan. The problem is that the extremists start throwing around words like carnist, corpse muncher, blood mouth, cadaver, murder, etc. and no one takes them seriously anymore. I do the same thing when the extreme right uses the word, “woke” or the trans extremists use the word, “terf”. It immediately causes me to stop caring about anything else they have to say.



  • Its not really the eating meat part thats the bad bit, its that you have to murder an animal to get the meat. Notice there is no problem with lab meat or plant based meat.

    The word you’re looking for is, “kill”. “Murder” is the killing of one human being by another. Using the word, “murder” ro refer to the killing of an animal is a bad faith attempt to use inappropriate inflammatory language to push your agenda.

    I would hope everyone would aspire to exceed the standard of “does not murder things”.

    Again, it’s not murder. It’s killing, but it’s not murder. If you want to be taken seriously use the correct word.

    And yes I would argue that someone’s morals that allows them to murder anything, is almost always worse than someone’s morals that does not allow murdering.

    You’re really fixated on murder but it’s the wrong word. It’s killing. You will plants when you eat them. You kill bacteria when you wash. Things die. It’s part of the cycle of life. Some things die and are consumed by other things.


  • Most people only ever hear anything from the extremists so you get painted with the same brush. I have friends who are vegans who are amazing people. I go out of my way to accommodate them. You are getting hate because of a very small group of fanatics who believe that they are absolutely morally superior and that that absolute moral superiority justified doing and saying anything to anyone who doesn’t agree with them in an attempt to shame, harass, and intimidate them into doing what they are told.