On our own instance no less lmao
Inb4 YoU CaN jUsT bLOcK uSsSSs
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
Well, my 1st matrix account was on the kiwifarms’ server. Nope, I didn’t know tf kiwifarms was at the time, I just liked the name
What was it?
A 4ch-like board with a rather intolerant user base
They’re not nice people.
.ml vs .world fights are always hilarious. And for that reason, they should stay federated.
I’m on lemmy.ml and most of the communities I interact with are on lemmy.world. Most people are normal about it.
I started on .ml and had the same experience.
The only reason I quit is because the 0.19 update finally made TOTP not suck ass, I decided to activate it on my account, I had a skill issue with my digital keyring that caused me to lose my secret, and my session cookie in my Lemmy app eventually expired. Didn’t sign up with an email either so no account recovery was in the cards.
Generally, I don’t think most people bother to read the instance suffixes on usernames at all unless the comment is somehow inflammatory. I sure don’t.
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If they ever defederated, it would be incredibly disruptive since certain communities exist mostly on one or the other.
Wasn’t there a post earlier about this exact thing lol. Can you lot make a community for whinging about something you have control over? That would be great for all.
Ah yes, but you do not fear .ml, you only bring it up all the time and demand it be blocked for everyone on .world because…? You can just block it yourself, putting it in spongebob case doesn’t make that point invalid.
Man all i did was just chose an instance…
Yeah unfortunately it is one of the flagship instances and also is run by a transphobe and a guy who thinks Stalin did nothing wrong who will ban you for any opinion slightly deviating from the hivemind he’s created. Really sucks, because a lot of people don’t know this until they already made their acct and by the time they learn about it the sunk cost fallacy takes over because they “don’t want to lose their comments” by moving to a more neutral instance.
It’s by design of course, either the new conscripts relent and join their ranks or just go along to get along, or they don’t and they get banned while reinforcing .ml’s victim complex they so desperately cling to.
Any instance I can use next with S or A tier federation network and thats similar to .ml bit minus the bs? I liked this one cus it seems they were into Foss and stuff like that
Programming.dev might be worth a look for FOSS. Also db0 has been very good to me since I left .ml when db0 started up.
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I like being able to see news not dictated by Western media which somehow all turn out to be controlled by Israel.
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Then you didn’t look hard enough, whenever .world comes up it’s always we’re some flavor of a CIA front, US military front, or reddit-lite
They don’t often call for defederation because doing so would cut off a huge chunk of content
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Westerners are easy to agitate because they live relatively cushy lives. I am not saying just because someone isn’t living in extreme poverty, they should be grateful. I am saying consider who is agitating you and why. More often than not, they just want to be the ones to control you, and hate that someone else is doing it instead. They don’t want what’s best for you.
these memes are always so tortured, the reason I comment in these threads is because it’s funny content and routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
Where’s my bigotry? As of yesterday I was banned from a ton of .ml communities for “Troll” despite not having posted a single comment or post anywhere in .ml for a long time now.
In fact lots of people are banned for “Troll” or other “catch-all” rules for the audacity of bringing up things like the Uyghur genocide that China is doing or that Russia attacked a country unprovoked and wholly unjustified or even the fact that China is, in fact, Authoritarian
ETA, oh and here I was banned from technology for R1 “Bigotry”, wheres the bigotry in bringing up China being authoritarian?
I got banned from a few .ml communities because they started circlejerking about how great the taliban is and I dared to point out that they’re shitty and evil xD
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Well they’re 0.01% less bad than ISIS, so that clearly means we have to “critically support” (unconditionally fellate) the taliban
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Good lord, and any criticism of an authoritarian communist government and they expose just how much they love the taste of boots.
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Okay, but debate pervert is really funny, though.
I laughed when I first read it. I still have no idea what it means.
I’ve seen people banned with “liberal” being the reason.
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I mean, at the limit, if they were clear in their rules that only radical leftists are allowed (which you would assume given it’s called ML - marxist leninism) it might be acceptable.
The genocide denial and masquerading as a neutral all purpose instance isn’t though.
Fallacy fallacy: only because it contains a fallacy (or a bunch) the argument isn’t necessarily void.
Still stacking fallacies isn’t usually a sign of a good and or valid argument.
It wasn’t a fallacy fallacy. Their entire argument, nay, their entire identity, was based on a foundation of logical fallacies.
And no, their argument was definitely not valid in any way.
Moving the goalpost fallacy. You wrote in your comment to which I replied that no argument can be made against pointing out that someone’s arguments contains fallacies, which is not true.
I wasn’t present as you got hurt arguing on the Internet so I couldn’t anticipate that you were up against someone who’s “entire identity was based on logical fallacies” (ad hominem).
Wow, nice straw man you got there, lol
Also, pointing out that someone bases their entire identity around something isn’t an ad hominem. Even if it were, by your own logic, it wouldn’t make me wrong.
Nice try though
Would you be so kind as to point out the straw man in that?
And no I don’t think you are necessarily wrong, I think you apply your standards selectively.
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Nice set of logical fallacies in this comment, and I don’t see any citations supporting your anecdote.
I don’t see you actually countering his statement, just throwing random sentences out.
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So, still just throwing out random sentences thinking you are making a point.
“no u”
Got lots of that, too. It’s like speaking to a 4 year-old
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Your entire comment history reads like a cautionary tale of what happens when you deny a child the attention they crave.
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever read, lol
Stay mad, and keep fantasizing about Ben Shapiro’s sweaty ball sack
I would tolerate them a little more if it weren’t for the constant brigading.
Wanna analyze Marxist-Leninist-Maoist theory, self-crit, and all that good stuff? Fine by me, I like discussion of varying viewpoints. But often it’s not about that but are bad faith arguments and whataboutisms about how the decadent West is ruled by the US and how Putin/Kim/Xi did nothing wrong.
It’s exhausting. I don’t go into their subs and rattle on about liberal market economics.
Like, I get it…I get their issues with capitalism. But it’s not like socialism won’t have it’s own problems.
Personally, I’d rather not go through a bloody civil war in order to inact a new system, because I know that my children are going to be the ones that have to suffer that nightmare. I’d much rather try to fix the problems of our current system than start from the beginning with a brand new one.
You couldn’t be more right. Take a look around, and you’ll see they’re here in the comments.
“authoritarian communist” is an oxymoron to begin with. how can you build a society where everyone is equal by enforcing authority
Well, every so called communist government has been one, so there are examples…
Thanks for making my point.
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I mean don’t you prove his point, by pointing out that all governments that call themselves communist are “so called communist governments”? So they aren’t doing communism right, else they could call themselves rightfully communist.
I do share the notion that communism is an ideology or economic system that is supposed to liberate people from class war. So it should be a liberating force. Suppressing dissent, free media, and casually engaging in imperialism and ethnic cleansing is not what I’d imagine a liberating government would do.
Obviously democracies with “free markets” also have these pitfalls. Not to say that both are equally wrong, but both are surely not the implementation of its self proclaimed ideals.
Another one crawling out the woodwork.
What?
All they know how to do is to insult people who disagree with them.
The hilarious irony, they technically agree. He’s just not knowledgeable enough to know it.
Every government that called itself communist, yes
If just for the purpose of avoiding centralisation, I think we should make an effort to not have everything on .world.
But I agree, it’s my personal opinion that my instance should defederate from ML on grounds of genocide denial.
I just added .ml post to my ban list on uBlock. And now my feed is a lot less controversial and hate mongering.
Of the people who say anything about it, there seems to be two mutually exclusive camps of people on Lemmy in regards to how it should be structured.
There’s those who want it to be a drop-in replacement for whatever platform they migrated from (Reddit, ususally), with everything cultured in one simple, easy-to-browse place where there’s enough activity to support diversity, just without the enshittification, even though the centralization they crave is exactly what invites the enshittification…
…and then there’s those who specifically want the site to stay fragmented, because that’s the whole point of federation, it keeps out all the riff raff, and prevents the platform from losing what makes it so great. But many of them complain about why it isn’t growing as fast as they’d like it to, despite the fact that the fragmentation of community is by far the single greatest barrier preventing the mass adoption they yearn for.
Each one seems to want a piece of what the other has.
Individuals have the power to block instances so I don’t really understand why people are pushing for defederation. Just feels like ruining the fun for everyone just because they aren’t having fun and aren’t using the resources they have to make it fun. Defederation should be a last resort, and people seem to want to use it for petty squabbles. I don’t like .ml or hexbear cause they’re both tankies, but I’ll just block the instances myself. Don’t get why we gotta remove the choice from everyone else. But hey, I’m on .dbzer0 so if .world wants to defederate from .ml it isn’t gonna affect me any
To be fair, if Lemmy’s discoverability wasn’t trash you could probably have both. I would love to have a bunch of small instances that were focused on individual topics, like Star Trek or anime or knitting or gardening or whatever and just jump between them. It feels like that’s what federation was built for.
But because Lemmy is so small right now and discoverability is so bad it seems like almost every instance is either intentionally a tech / general purpose one or so adjacent it might as well be. As long as there’s just one community for that thing that people can find that would be great, but instead there are like 10 spread around 3 different instances and 8 of them are dead and 1 just bot reposts the subreddit - and it’s really hard to tell which is which. Like, if everything was actually on one instance at least you could just list everything.
I agreed so hard I screamed
It’s almost like the saying “the grass is greener” is a reoccurring human phenomenon, lol.
I personally like the idea of many instances, but it would be great if there were a way of doing something about communities that are attempting to fill the same niche. For example, there are 3-4 small-mid sized photography communities with very similar rules and moderation styles. Maybe the mods could agree to form an alliance and somehow federate posts and comments across the community? If something goes sideways they could always break off the community level federation.
obviously i wouldnt mind if lemmy grows, but I’m quite content with the current active user base.
I’m not. The front page feels empty with how much US related posts get featured.
If it worked like that, everyone would have defederated .world cca December 2023.
So did the United Nations Human Rights Council, two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/
The fact that this webpage (run by an European agency) still exists proves the UN doesn’t deny it.
If such a website was hosted in China, you know the CCP would have taken it down. Same with Russia.
Zeroth of all, that web page doesn’t even make mention of any genocides, so it in no way “proves” one.
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I would take you a little seriously if you weren’t a 13 minute old account with a single issue. (Especially since you yourself deny the Uyghur genocide).
But I agree, it’s problematic that people deny genocide no matter what instance it happens in. But only ML has admins that do it and condone it afaik.
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