• Yes they can, otherwise Disney can decide that that DVD you bought 10 years ago, you’re no longer allowed to have and you must destroy it.

    Right to be forgotten is bullshit, not from an ideological standpoint right, but purely from a practicality stand point the old rule of once its on the internet its on the internet forever stands true. That’s not even getting started on the fact that right to be forgotten is about your personal information, not any material you may publish that is outside of that.

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      Disney can decide to terminate that license but the disc is another story. The license is for the media on the disc but the physical disc itself is owned by the person who bought it. This is literally why a company can remove a show or movie or song from your digital library. The license holder can always revoke the license. It was harder to enforce with physical media (and cost prohibitive in a lot of cases), but still possible.

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      You compare entirely different things here. I’m talking about a website i own not a product i sell. And no, this “on the internet forever” is complete and utter nonsense that was never true to begin with. the amount of stuff lost to time easely dwarfs the one still around.

      • You chose to distribute said website to everyone on the internet. I chose to exercise my rights of fair use to make a local convenience copy of said website. I can then theoretically hold, said local convenience copy, for as long as I want, until your copyright expires, at which point I can publish it.

        It’s a bold assumption that that data is not just sitting on someone’s hard drive somewhere.

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      No. When you purchase the dvd you become the owner of that specific disc… you never gained ownership of my website just because you visited and copied my content.

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          No, I never granted you any ownership of my content. Period. You didn’t pay me, you didn’t engage in any contract with me.

          Simply archiving my stuff and running away then publishing it as your own is theft.

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            You’ve put it out there for free, though, and the data literally ends up on my machine because you made it do that, so what’s the problem with me saving the data on my machine for later, and potentially sharing it elsewhere for free again?

            then publishing it as your own is theft

            1. This scenario (misattribution of content) has nothing to do with the previous discussion. The other commenter is making an analogy to CDs, owning a CD and lending it to others doesn’t mean you’re claiming its content is your own creation.

            2. Theft implies deprivation of ownership. Calling this theft is like calling piracy theft. It may be illegal by this or that metric, but it’s not normal theft.

            • Well the whole premise of their argument is flawed because they’re basing it on the fact of redistribution. If I’m not redistributing it, then the whole argument of that falls away entirely. Under fair use, I believe you’re also allowed to make copies of things for research purposes, so I’d argue that’s what an archive is.

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              I can keep it until the copyright expires and then I can do whatever the fuck I want with it.

              general copyright is 70 years. So no. You couldn’t do whatever you wanted with it as the computer you’re using would be long dead… and possibly you’d even be long dead. Replicating the content to another device without owners consent could and likely would be a violation of that same copyright.

              • Replicating a personal backup to another device is covered by free use. Only distribution and derivative works are covered by copyright.

                And yes, the length of copyright is way too long. It recon it should be the same as patents, 20 years. Or let it be as long as the warranty and let the big companies duke it out with each other.